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“Write for fun… you need to start with the fun and the hard work will come because if you fall in love with something, you work at it. So the key is, it's time to carve out some space to have fun with your writing.”
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Ever felt like you were just not ready to start your writing journey? Maybe the task seems insurmountable. Maybe you feel like you are just not good enough?
Join us on this week's episode where we interview Pastor-in-training and Ministry Youth Worker Jason Devenish. He shares his struggle with starting and how he overcame his obstacles. We share 3 practical tips to help get over your fears of starting your blog, your article, your book, your podcast - your journey.
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Gary Khan: 0:24
Welcome Kryptic fans to another episode of the Author's Journey. It's your host, Gary Khan, chronically all aspects of the writer's journey, from humble beginnings to Stephen King status. A quick shout out to Claire Lowen and Cheesecake Demon for the amazing Five Star reviews of the show. Guys, you absolutely rock. We appreciate it. Thank you so much for spreading the love. Today we have a very special guest. Jason Devenish. What's up, J?
Jason Devenish: 1:00
Hi Gary and everyone. Thanks for having me on the show.
Gary Khan: 1:03
How are you doing? How are you feeling? You feeling nervous? You feel uncomfortable?
Jason Devenish: 1:06
I don't know. The last podcast I did was with a camera for my YouTube video. This is very weird that there's no cameras pointing at me right now.
Gary Khan: 1:15
I see you're a natural in front of the camera. I'm not quite a natural yet. I'm building up to my YouTube.
Jason Devenish: 1:21
I feel more uncomfortable like this, which is interesting.
Gary Khan: 1:26
I get youget you. It takes a bit of getting used to.
Jason Devenish: 1:30
It does .
Gary Khan: 1:31
So J tell us, who is Jason Devenish and what are you all about?
Jason Devenish: 1:38
Cool yeah, so it's an interesting question, but I think just to summarise myself in the best possible is I am first a Christian. I believe that I'm a child of God. Second, I am a through and through Manchester United supporter.
Gary Khan: 1:57
Thank you there are too few of us around?
Jason Devenish: 1:59
Yeah, Ever since we started losing all of a sudden like they kind of...
Gary Khan: 2:03
The fans are dropping off like flies.
Gary Khan: 0:00
Love, One direction. It's quality stuff.
Jason Devenish: 0:00
My car's Named after their song Diana. So, yeah, I'm a music enthusiast. I am a youth pastor by day an...
Jason Devenish: 0:00
Batman by night?
Jason Devenish: 0:00
A bum by night. But yeah, I'm currently in my third year of my degree. I am. Yeah, I think I'm just trying to, like, navigate life as a 24 year old. You would think at 24 you would have everything figured out.
Gary Khan: 3:07
Well, I can tell you by a 32, 31 you still have nothing figured out.
Jason Devenish: 3:11
That's freaking awesome. There's something to look forward to. No stability. Yeah, so as you guys can gather, I'm 24 years old and, yeah, I think that that sums me up for the most part. You know, that's, that's who I am.
Gary Khan: 3:34
Fantastic. So you are new to the writing game. Tell the listeners where you are in terms of your writing journey.
Jason Devenish: 3:44
So as you know, and as the listeners are about to find out, I'm not a big reader, Which is quite ironic. The fact I'm not a reader, but I'm on the show. I am looking at the possibility to be writing a book. I'm doing my studies online. A lot of the assessments that you do are written assessments. So I started studying in 2017 and because it's online, there are some lectures that you watch that a lot of the stuff is reading. So I was forced into reading when I started working in the church. Tom, who was previous Minister at our Church. He said to me that you know, If you're going to the ministry, you have to read. And I was like,bro have you heard of YouTube?
Gary Khan: 4:34
But big ups to Tom.
Jason Devenish: 4:35
Yeah, it started out being his wasn't wrong because there's definitely a difference between the information you read and the information you received through video. And that's not to downplay YouTube. I love YouTube, I think don't think I love it too much. But yeah, I've started off really slow, I have to read my reading material for college. If I didn't read that I can't really do the assignments, and then that kind of got me into understanding why reading is so important and the role that it plays in learning . And the one thing that Tom has said, Excuse me, I don't know if he was quoting someone or if it was him, but he just said writing maketh, it a must have been quoting someone, writing maketh an exact man and basically he was just saying that like when you write your thoughts, you're a lot clearer than when you speak your thoughts and that's kind of stuck with me. And so, in writing my assignment, writing up my thoughts on each of the various subjects given to us, I began to enjoy writing. Especially, when I started getting good marks, I was like damn, this is cool, this is fantastic.
Gary Khan: 5:44
Its a great way to boost the ego?
Jason Devenish: 5:45
100%. I think 2015. I started my blog. I was supposed to post regularly. I really didn't. And then 2016. I posted a few blocks and I read. I read some of those other day. It was quite embarrassing because I'm a little bit more academic. I'm reading like Dude first of all, what is your point? And second of all, can you stop like attacking people Third of all, can you capitalise your i's, bro? I was going to edit the other day and I thought, actually, it's nice to go back and see where improved.
Gary Khan: 6:21
Absolutely.
Jason Devenish: 6:22
Yeah, So I wrote. I posted a block post the other day called, well titled Where Is God In My Anxiety? and the response that I had from the public who received it was amazing. Just seeing people impact on me today. I got another coming from one of the young ladies in our youth group on. They're just saying that, you know, she read it again and she really enjoyed its the second time she's read it, But can you please put us more like this, and it really inspired me because it showed me that by writing so much, I have come a long way. And so, yeah, I think I think for me the blog post has been a really cool way of seeing where I am. And I think after this previous blog post I was like cool. I think I'm ready to start the writing process of a book but at the same time I have my reservations. But yeah, that's why I have a Blog. That's really were my writing takes place. There and assignments, but
Gary Khan: 7:19
But that's the thing with the with the blog is you connecting with an audience? It's It's a little bit more instantaneous than actually putting a novel down. I know with novels, you get global reach. You get a bigger audience in the long run, you know, and can be monetised. So there's that benefit because I knew it in the twenties, the pockets not as lined as you'd like it to be, but you see. But I mean, blogs are great way to start, and a lot of great authors have started off with blog's that they have culminated into great books that they put together.
Gary Khan: 7:55
I think it's also just It's an easy way for me to process my own thoughts. I wrote another block post a couple months ago, something along the lines of, you know, favouritism in your youth group. Then there was another one more recently in just re reading those just seeing how, like I helped process my own thoughts with regards to favouritism in youth ministry and how harmful that is. And I actually think I wrote that for myself more than for others. But I think I wrote that for, like, I want you guys to learn this, because I don't know how many guys are struggling with favouritism in Youth ministry, probably more than are willing to admit. But in reading that I'm like, I'm pretty sure I wrote this for myself. So
Gary Khan: 8:41
It's very therapeutic to write and I think a lot of authors have a little bit of a selfish streak there as well. I mean, I know personally, I write crazy fantasy stories because I feel like I can write better than others. That might be a little bit of an arrogant thing to say, but sometimes you lacking the kind of stories you want to see in movies in series and books at the time. Yeah, I can imagine a blog. Were you wanting information about the youth Ministry and anxiety? And there's nothing out there. So Well, you turned to yourself, put the thoughts down. And hey, the world responds and it responds. Well,
Jason Devenish: 9:19
Yeah, I think that's exactly it is. I think that you... there's certain content out there that you feel like you're not seeing enough off. So you like hey, If I need this, I'm sure there must be someone else out there that needs it. You stick it down and you make yourself an exact man. Yeah, I think for me the blog, the blog journey has been a good one and I would actually like to see myself posting more on there, because I think it's also a short way of getting feedback. You post a page and a half worth of writing and people come back to you. And you, can you capitalise your i's, bro? Oh, that was really good. Already Well written. You got to the point, and I really enjoyed this. Then you kind of have a better idea of where you are. But it's quick feedback is if you're gonna write a book and wait for feedback, You're waiting for feedback for about two years?
Gary Khan: 10:12
No, Absolutely. And the thing is, you might get haters coming up and cropping out of the woodworks. But what I've realised is if you've got haters it means you're on track to being successful because all the famous and successful people have hater, right? Yeah. So you must be doing something right.
Jason Devenish: 10:27
And your feedback can be constructive to all the haters out there. Your feedback is constructive based on how I take it, not on how you say it, So
Gary Khan: 10:37
Absolutely. So haters keep on hating
Jason Devenish: 10:39
Bro. We love you
Gary Khan: 10:42
We do!
Gary Khan: 10:44
All right, so So tell us... You've told us about your blog's etcetera. You thinking about the idea of a book. If you were going to write a book, what would you write about?
Jason Devenish: 10:54
Sure. So I've got a good two in the pipeline. The one that I really want to write is it would be titled It's Not What You Expect, but the I suppose the caption. I'm such a such a generation Z. The caption. So I'm like a your slogan. There's it. The slogan would be so It's Not What You Expect and the slogan would be something along the lines of the things you should consider before you work in the church. And it's it comes back to what we spoke with the Blogs that you write what you need, and I really would have loved to have picked up a book like that before I went into ministry, you know, six months before coming in. It would be great if the guys in the church said Cool, we'd love it if you came on board. But can you read this for us first? And I wanted to highlight that ministry isn't just preaching on Sundays and attending cool youth group gatherings and going to youth camps. Ministry is hard man. I know that a lot of people listening to this might not be Christian, and you might not be interested in what's going on in the church. But it's It's like every other, like a sphere of work, you know, you think that must be the best kind of work to do when and when you in it, you're in the trenches. You like this is hard and I kind of want to give every young person heads up because I think a lot of young people go into ministry and get hurt by the church. They get hurt specifically by Christians in that church, and I think they walk away wondering how or should I say why God allows that kind of operation in his church? But also, I want young people to go in knowing what to expect. Like this isn't gonna be a walk in the park. This is going to be difficult. And, um, it's supposed to be sort of a loving encouragement for young people. Sort of saying like, This is the heart is going to be I want you to do this still, but now you know what to expect and that's a book. It's a book that I wanted to...I would have loved to have had when I started out. The other book is probably one on youth ministry. I love teenagers. I love working with them, but I think it definitely takes a special kind of personality and character.
Gary Khan: 13:13
I was going to say you speaking to Saint Jason because it definitely takes a unique character to deal with teenagers. I think it's probably one of the most rewarding ministries. I mean they're amazing young people, that's the thing. And they are future. But you have to have patience, which in some of us is lacking. But so Saint Jason.
Jason Devenish: 13:36
It's not always not lacking with me hey. It's always like a struggle,but I think it also takes a lot of patients to deal with me. You can ask my mom and my girlfriend they'll both tell you it takes a lot, but I think I think just having a book, there's a lot of youth ministry books out there and I think that's where my struggle is, is finding something that someone hasn't already spoken on. And it might be a topic that's been covered but very broadly in a book, and I'd like to maybe delve deeper into that. But right now, my priority in the book that I'm gonna probably started in the next couple months is the one on, It's Not What You Expect and just looking at ministry as a young person speaking to young people. I like to believe that I'm still young compared to young people, but when I say young people, I'm talking 18 year olds who are finishing school or maybe first year out on and who're considering ministry just to give them something that they can pick up and understand. This is what you can expect. This is how you can deal with it. And this is how you can journey with God through it because I think that's the other elements is I did feel that for a time I let go of God in that time because I was so hurt by what was going on, and I think just the reality of church, I was hurt by the reality of church. Yeah, so
Gary Khan: 14:55
So I mean, I'm sure the fans will agree, and you can comment if you want in any one of the various media's. I think this is a book that deserves to be written, so we're all very excited for you to start this journey. I know I wanted to specifically get you onto the show before you start and or we introduce, have you on at various stages of the journey, you know, come back for another interview, begin to hear how you're progressing so we can understand the roadblocks you're hitting how you overcome them and I'm sure that a lot of people out, especially Christian writers. Young people wanting to write their stories will find an inspirational to hear from you. So that's amazing. All right, So tell us who are some of your influences?
Jason Devenish: 15:42
Okay. So, um, as I said, you know, I'm not a huge big reader. I was listening to your podcast with Marco. Oh, yeah, I heard him talk about novels and I was like, for someone who was reading a book, I'm not two novels, but from a novel point of view, I really enjoyed, I think, is Antony Hurwitz. It's oh, his series The Power of Five. I really, really loved it. And for someone who didn't... I hated reading, I got stuck into the that series. I don't know what it was about about his writing, and I think that's the characters. I think I really latched onto them. But the quality of writing just he was really good for him to get me to read says a lot about his ability as a writer. I think so. For me, one of the guys that I'm really inspired by is actually a preacher. His name's Judah Judah Smith
Gary Khan: 16:48
Big Ups Judah.
Jason Devenish: 16:49
Yeah, Judah if you're listening hit me up dude?
Gary Khan: 16:52
Hit us both up and invite us out to where is he California. Pay for it too. Yeah. Please. Church sponsored. I put you on the podcast. Tell us about your writing adventure bro, because he's written about like five books between three and five.
Gary Khan: 17:11
Well, this is, um official call out Judah Smith. If you're able and willing, bro,
Jason Devenish: 17:18
You can stay at my house. I bet you he's like dying to come now, But Judah Smith was one of my big inspirations. So I think in reading all the material that I read for my Bible college reading articles online about ministry and I really began to realise the amount of information that's that's in there and I began to realise the amount of learning that you can sort of amount of stuff you can learn from reading. And I went into a Christian bookstore in South Africa. I'm not going to mention it because you said this is a family, a family show. So one of his books, then I was like, Hey, I know this guy's preaching. Let me see. What is writing is like and the reason why I've always stopped myself from writing because I feel like I'm not intellectual enough. Anyone who knows me knows I don't use big words. I'm not a I'm really not great with my English. I got 59 in Matric. Not that I tried, but that's exactly my problem, you see.
Gary Khan: 18:25
And that's that's something interesting, because I find to a lot of the writers I speak is a lot of reasons we find why we psych ourselves out. So I'm not intellectual enough. Another person told me they don't know what to write, or people won't find what I write about Interesting. But each and every one of us has a community, and that community wants to hear from us. So I find everything that we shared when we have our coffee chats and whatever engaging. So if you put that in the book, how I would read that book, right, so that's that's the way to look at. I find I'm so sad when I hear people psyching themselves out because a lot of people are not looking for intellectual books. Yeah, you know, I mean so I mean, if I actually had to read an intellectual book on a Friday night like this in the dark. Thank you Eskom. I think I pass out. That's what I want. What? I somewhat I'm kind of getting to, you know, I mean, so I'm glad you say that and mention it because I'd really like to encourage people to get over that hurdle.
Jason Devenish: 19:29
Yeah, I'd love to see that. Yeah, I think timing was right. Is also two years ago, I bought this book called Life Is By Judah Smith. And I started reading it, and I was really I was struck by how casual his writing was. I was like surely you can't write like this, dude, like you're supposed to use big words and you're supposed to be formal. And I felt like he was just speaking to me, but through his writing. I felt like he was sitting on the end of my bed and speaking to me and telling me, like so He was somewhat what life is like with Jesus on how we walked life with Jesus. And I was just sitting there and it felt like he was speaking to me, saying, This is how you handle these situations with Jesus in your life. That's amazing. It was a conversation. And he was funny, like I don't laugh when I read but, don't even laugh when I'm sending texts. And like I was reading this book and there were times where I genuinely cracked up because I was like, this is funny. So I think I was really inspired by his way of writing, because when I saw him write like that, I realised, actually, if he could do it, I could do it. And I have something to offer the world in the way of knowledge. And I'm not saying I'm smartest dude out there, but there's something that's on my heart I want to write about and I don't have to be an intellect. If I can speak to people through my writing, have a conversation with them and just share my thoughts on something. My thoughts don't have to be right. You can disagree with my thoughts. Absolutely This is my thoughts. These are my thoughts, and this is my thought process in and through these situations. And so I was really inspired by Judah. So there's other authors, like like, Tim Keller and I tried John Piper. I think I'm still my brain's just John John Piper's a bit of an intellect. . I love those reads. So there's him. There's quite a few guys out there that are that are really good. But Judah's the one who really inspired me to start thinking, you know, can I can't do this. And like I said earlier, there is still a journey involved in the sense that I think if I started writing this book in 2017 one I don't I don't think I would have had the experience that I have today, and obviously I can't always another three years and have more experience. But I wouldn't had the experience of that I do actually, 2018 2017. But that and my writing wouldn't have been what it is today. And I think I do think there has to be a standard. So I'm not saying that you can just go in there and start using, like as we South Africans, put it Mixit language. Oh, you like B R B. Be right back. You want a year, but you can't be super casual. You still want to respect the English language but think I'm at a stage Now I can write in an engaging way whilst still respecting the language. Yeah,
Gary Khan: 22:23
That's an amazing message. I almost want to take a moment of silence so that it can sink into the listener's ears. What you just said, That's amazing. Everything. Everything's awesome in the words you just mentioned there. I really encourage people to go and apply what you've just said. Because that is inspiring to me. Fantastic, that I really appreciate it. Hope listeners. Are you Are you hearing this? This is amazing. Cool. All right, so let's continue. In five years, you blow up, you have a megachurch, they call you Pastor J. You out there rocking it, you rocking it so much that you know Judah Smith asks you to come in, to be a guest preach at his church and he comes into your church, you're flying and the book that you've written is flying off the shelves. It's inspiring a new generation of young ministers to get into the game. So you're on top of the world, let's paint that picture. This is five years time.
Jason Devenish: 23:29
I'm getting excited. Just hearing you say that. I wanna leave right now and write my books. I want a big church. That's right. That's why I'm writing this book.
Gary Khan: 23:42
Five years. That's That's the J that we see and that Jay can somehow telepathically paradoxically somehow communicate to you right now. What do you think that Jason Devenish says to this Jason Devenish.
Jason Devenish: 24:02
Just Start. I just I think, like and and that that applies to everything, because right now, the shared with you, there's so many things that I want to do. I want to write this book. I want to start my podcast. I want to do. I want my YouTube channel going like regularly, and I just I feel like there's this huge amount of creativity and all these ideas and things that I want to share with the world, and they like exploding within me. But I'm too lazy to actually get up and do it, like in the morning. I'd like to be a great idea to blog today. Then when I'm leaving the house I'm like J just pull out your phone, you know, I got a S10 so that I could vlog and I haven't vlogged once
Gary Khan: 24:43
That's criminal.
Jason Devenish: 24:45
That's my advice to myself. It would probably be just start, because if you don't start. You're not gonna get anywhere. And I know that, like, I'm not trying to sound profound there. That's one of the basic things. Like if you don't start, you're not gonna go anyway. Absolutely. No. And I think I think too many of us procrastinate the things we really want to do and we're letting, you're letting yourself down. When you do that, you're not and actually to be fair, you letting a lot of people down because they are people who they don't know it yet. But they need to hear what you want to write and what you want to say in your podcasts and what you want to say on your YouTube videos. They need that and you selfish when you keep that from them.
Gary Khan: 25:37
Absolutely, absolutely, very true. And since I'm one of the fans, I'm pre-ordering my copy right now.
Jason Devenish: 25:37
No pressure.
Gary Khan: 25:37
Lots of pressure. The writing journey is no joke. The writing journey is heavy. Yeah, no, that's That's an awesome monster. I think I just start. That's what I've bean saying in my blogs. That's what I've been staying on these podcasts. Just start. let's get out there. It's the same message Marco had in the first podcast that released, and so many people are just not hearing it. I think they hear it, but they don't hear it, andI'm also not trying to be profound. But its the simple truth cool, well, let me let me let me take a moment now to just share three tips that I have for you know, the listeners out there. Practical things that I found in my authors Journey. Number one is write for fun. This is something we keep missing. You know, there's so many articles, out there so many books that really share this concept I know often were found it was people talk about trying to groom proteges. My dad tried to do that. We he tried to get me to play golf. I was actually named after famous South African golf player, but he made it get serious too quick. And the problem with that is, when you do that, it's not fun, and you need to start with the fun and the hard work will come because if you fall in love with something, you'll work at it. So the key is, it's time to carve out some space to have fun with your writing. So hey, go ahead, for example, and write your first chapter for fun and see what happens. And you'll probably find that you flow a lot more easier when you do that. Number two. Don't learn anything. Now this is counterintuitive. Everyone's going to be like let me go and watch some YouTube videos, let me sign up to this university course. Let me go join this writers club and see what I can do there. Don't do that. Just start writing. Forget the knowledge. Forget spelling. Forget proper grammar. Forget how to be compelling in your argument, etcetera. Just start writing the thing because in writing the thing, you're actually practising the thing as in practising the thing, eventually the knowledge will come, you know? So so I think I find there's a lot of intellectual writers and what I mean by that people who know how to write they have degrees that say that they can write, but they've never written a single thing, and that's so sad for me. Number three is you need to find your community. So find a local author or group of authors. Form buddy club people who can hold you accountable to your writing schedule. People who will review your work with you. People who will challenge you to make it better to get the best version of the book or writing or blog whatever it is out there. There's so many institutions you can join there. So many groups out there. Facebook has a ton of them. I'll share some details of those in the links below. Google's your friend here, Google your local, your local club. Join one and get going because those people will be your network that will want to conspire for your success. I think a big mistake in my writer's, journey is I waited to try and form the community at the end of the process, and now I'm scrambling together, trying to find like minded people. While for the last five years while I've been writing my book, I could have been building that community, making those connections, getting advice. I stumbled around in the darkness on my own. That wasn't very helpful at all.
Jason Devenish: 29:19
I think just on that point that's a really profound thing that you're sharing because I think a lot of us will have our idols for me like I might be like Judah Smith is one of the guys that I really want to be like in my writing, but you'll never be it. Well, I don't know. I don't think I'll ever be able to speak to him and say,
Gary Khan: 29:37
Well, after this podcast he might.my?
Jason Devenish: 29:39
He's gonna hit us up straight away. But I think surround yourself with the right people so for me, someone that has been really helpful was Megs my girlfriend. She is like, her English is next level, and her writing is brilliant as well. She has a way of describing things where I just think, how did you even... how did you do that? Yes, my writing styles and be very different to hers. I don't want to be like her in my writing, not because I don't like her writing style, but because that's not who I am, and it's not a representation of who I am, but she's the right person to have go alongside you and maybe help you because there's times where I'll try and explain something and she'll perhaps just improve my reading my, my description of whatever it is I'm trying to say absolutely so and then having you having you around as well. It's really helpful having the right people around. So don't think that, like, if I can call it foreign inspiration is enough?
Gary Khan: 30:36
Absolutely, absolutely. There is a ton of people. They don't even have to be writers, people who are willing to bounce ideas off of you. So my brother is so good at that Mr young Craig Khan. He's fantastic to share ideas with. He finds the plot gaps in your story easily enough. If you're writing a novel of that kind. He's very critically minded, so he would absolutely be able to read your book and critique it. And that's what you think is on its way like that. You know, He's honesty He's constructive as well. Amazing. You need that kind of person so form your community. Okay, so, Jay, we coming to the close of our show, tell the tell the listeners what is the big takeaway from this episode? Something that will help inspire you to get started on your journey.
Jason Devenish: 31:29
So I think for me, it's it's start. Don't allow your doubts., your insecurities... Don't allow those things to stop you from starting because once you start, you can just get the ball...ball rolling the great thing with, like, computer applications today, like a word and what have you is you can always back space you have can always undo what you've done. But just start, get your your train of thought going and let it let it go forward and have people hold you accountable. You know, if you go to people who say, guys I want to start writing this book, they should come to you in three weeks time. Cool. So where are you in your writing process in three months time where are you, in a year's time where are you? And if after six months you like at seven started, they need to come down hard and be like, Look, you asked us to hold you accountable. You need to start this thing, you can do it and they must their must encourage you. It's It's not about like reprimanding you when you haven't started. It's why haven't you started? What's what's holding you back? Had a discussion with you. So I think having the right people around you holding you accountable. But start just wants us to pick up a pen and start, but 2020. So, yeah, grab your laptop, your keyboard, your computer. Do whatever you need to do. I
Gary Khan: 32:45
Your iWatch, your Dictaphone. There's a hell of a lot of different things to
Jason Devenish: 32:49
Go for it. Yeah,
Gary Khan: 32:50
Absolutely. So So. In three weeks, do you give me permission to checkup on you? Where are you on the journey?
Jason Devenish: 32:57
I would really appreciate that.
Gary Khan: 32:58
Alright well I will do so cool, I'm going to need to add a calendar because I forget everything if it's not in the calendar, It's not going to happen. That's the time we have for our show. Thank you so much for joining us today. This was Jason Devenish. You can find him and his details All in the description below. Where's the best place for people to connect with you.
Jason Devenish: 33:20
I think for me the best pace would probably be on Instagram it's. Jason_ Devenish Yeah, Just follow me there. Send me a message. Yeah,
Jason Devenish: 33:34
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